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	<title>Comments on: Facebook Surpasses Google: Is a Digital Currency System Ready to Emerge?</title>
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		<title>By: What is Privacy? a rant about Facebook &#38; the open source movement &#171; emergent by design</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-2732</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What is Privacy? a rant about Facebook &#38; the open source movement &#171; emergent by design]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 15:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you seen Thomas Power describe the Bank of Facebook and the potential of a peer to peer business [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: CoCreatr</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-2498</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CoCreatr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This just in from @ hubculture
  
WSJ: the Coming Currency Revolution http://hub.vg/v4VPr #futureofmoney #mobile 

7 minutes video worth the 15 seconds ad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in from @ hubculture</p>
<p>WSJ: the Coming Currency Revolution <a href="http://hub.vg/v4VPr" rel="nofollow">http://hub.vg/v4VPr</a> #futureofmoney #mobile </p>
<p>7 minutes video worth the 15 seconds ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Matonis</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-1831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Matonis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, digital currencies are about to emerge.  The question is who will drive it.  Facebook has the trust factor going for it but they basically blew it when ceding the payment relationship with customer base to PayPal ( see http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2010/02/facebook-gets-out-of-way-in-payments.html ).

If a Facebook virtually currency does not leave the FB environment, what good is it in the long run? Also, the future of any digital currency rests firmly on its ability to emulate the same exact features of a $100 bill today --- namely full anonymity and untraceability. Who wants a step BACKWARDS from a paper $100 bill?  Nobody!

Resist digital money......unless it&#039;s anonymous.
http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, digital currencies are about to emerge.  The question is who will drive it.  Facebook has the trust factor going for it but they basically blew it when ceding the payment relationship with customer base to PayPal ( see <a href="http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2010/02/facebook-gets-out-of-way-in-payments.html" rel="nofollow">http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2010/02/facebook-gets-out-of-way-in-payments.html</a> ).</p>
<p>If a Facebook virtually currency does not leave the FB environment, what good is it in the long run? Also, the future of any digital currency rests firmly on its ability to emulate the same exact features of a $100 bill today &#8212; namely full anonymity and untraceability. Who wants a step BACKWARDS from a paper $100 bill?  Nobody!</p>
<p>Resist digital money&#8230;&#8230;unless it&#8217;s anonymous.<br />
<a href="http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Spiro Spiliadis</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spiro Spiliadis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark 

I think by using the Future of Networks post as the focal point and expanding it around the participants extended insights i believe not only keeps track of what may unfold from added value but keeps track of every participants line of interest based on that focal point.

I hope people participate and keep it active.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark </p>
<p>I think by using the Future of Networks post as the focal point and expanding it around the participants extended insights i believe not only keeps track of what may unfold from added value but keeps track of every participants line of interest based on that focal point.</p>
<p>I hope people participate and keep it active.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Essel</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-1762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Essel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just bumped into your mind map Spiro and enjoyed it (http://www.mindmeister.com/maps/show_public/45227936)
There are so many posts connected to the topic you chose to look at (The Future of Networks) it&#039;s quite a challenge to capture even just a slice of those ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just bumped into your mind map Spiro and enjoyed it (<a href="http://www.mindmeister.com/maps/show_public/45227936" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindmeister.com/maps/show_public/45227936</a>)<br />
There are so many posts connected to the topic you chose to look at (The Future of Networks) it&#8217;s quite a challenge to capture even just a slice of those ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiro Spiliadis</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spiro Spiliadis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One brand, one platform, one focal point that emerges into a harmonized system of networks who are people oriented and in turn the reach stems from one place.

Four will become two and the two will race to the top of the mountain looking down at the billions who they are bringing into one system.

In that system, networks of people.

Folks, welcome to the future of vitural life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One brand, one platform, one focal point that emerges into a harmonized system of networks who are people oriented and in turn the reach stems from one place.</p>
<p>Four will become two and the two will race to the top of the mountain looking down at the billions who they are bringing into one system.</p>
<p>In that system, networks of people.</p>
<p>Folks, welcome to the future of vitural life.</p>
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		<title>By: createpei</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-1662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[createpei]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vanessa;
The more I am thinking about it - I think we&#039;ll see a shift from volume to quality of networks.  The old model of Facebook was about numbers whereas the newer medium of Twitter allows you to follow/unfollow without the social baggage...

I think we&#039;ll see the power of networks to build lasting relationships the kinds we used to see in our communities - the shift being that its moving to a more virtual place.  

Although, I also think that we will see a move to interact more and a closeness and shift to importance in those within our physical proximity.  I think people are growing tired of the grind and will look to find additional &quot;meaning&quot; in life.

As always interested in your writings... keep up the great posting!

Cheers,

Createpei
Scott]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanessa;<br />
The more I am thinking about it &#8211; I think we&#8217;ll see a shift from volume to quality of networks.  The old model of Facebook was about numbers whereas the newer medium of Twitter allows you to follow/unfollow without the social baggage&#8230;</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ll see the power of networks to build lasting relationships the kinds we used to see in our communities &#8211; the shift being that its moving to a more virtual place.  </p>
<p>Although, I also think that we will see a move to interact more and a closeness and shift to importance in those within our physical proximity.  I think people are growing tired of the grind and will look to find additional &#8220;meaning&#8221; in life.</p>
<p>As always interested in your writings&#8230; keep up the great posting!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Createpei<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Skydaemon</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skydaemon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Paypal (among others) originally intended to do this but was shut down by the U.S.&quot;

Yeah I used to work for one of the &#039;others&#039;.  To make a long story short, the US doesn&#039;t like ecommerce, and when it threatens incumbants or state tax/revenue bases they see to it that it gets wiped out.  

These were online banks being created by what were in many cases software companies moving into banking.  Just telling you that alone could probably give you a good idea how that industry was developing innovation and customer focus wise.  I&#039;ll spare you the details.

Anyway, they were busy building the kinds of innovations real banks _should_ have been doing to benefit consumers instead of gambling.  It was actually turning into something substantial, and I don&#039;t mean in a dreamer sense.  I mean in the sense of an already operational merchant bank with required approvals linking regions across the world, with infrastructure and knowhow, passing through $ billions, branching out into more consumer centered directions.

Unfortunately there were not a lot of things people spent money on in sufficient scale to support the creation of this online banking infrastructure.  Online poker was one of the few things that did.  Problem with online poker and also anything online in general is states have a hard time taxing it.  But with gambling it also interferes with state run gambling/lottery/casino operations which see it as encroaching on their turf.

If it threatens their revenue streams, they find an excuse to kill it.

If you think politicians are going to watch facebook wipe out the banking system, while simultaneously making it easy to conduct business out of their tax grasp (which is what ecommerce means to politicians), think again.  They&#039;re not going to take-one-for-the-country at all.

Around the same time as the attempted killing of these ecommerce banks, walmart also talked about offering banking services out of their branches.  They shot that one down pretty hard too.  Nobody wanted to allow walmart to threaten their cash cow with competition that might win or reduce profits.

Banks are the golden goose for a lot of these politicians.  They don&#039;t care what is good for the consumer, or about ecommerce.  If Walmart doesn&#039;t have the clout to be allowed to play, why would facebook?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Paypal (among others) originally intended to do this but was shut down by the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah I used to work for one of the &#8216;others&#8217;.  To make a long story short, the US doesn&#8217;t like ecommerce, and when it threatens incumbants or state tax/revenue bases they see to it that it gets wiped out.  </p>
<p>These were online banks being created by what were in many cases software companies moving into banking.  Just telling you that alone could probably give you a good idea how that industry was developing innovation and customer focus wise.  I&#8217;ll spare you the details.</p>
<p>Anyway, they were busy building the kinds of innovations real banks _should_ have been doing to benefit consumers instead of gambling.  It was actually turning into something substantial, and I don&#8217;t mean in a dreamer sense.  I mean in the sense of an already operational merchant bank with required approvals linking regions across the world, with infrastructure and knowhow, passing through $ billions, branching out into more consumer centered directions.</p>
<p>Unfortunately there were not a lot of things people spent money on in sufficient scale to support the creation of this online banking infrastructure.  Online poker was one of the few things that did.  Problem with online poker and also anything online in general is states have a hard time taxing it.  But with gambling it also interferes with state run gambling/lottery/casino operations which see it as encroaching on their turf.</p>
<p>If it threatens their revenue streams, they find an excuse to kill it.</p>
<p>If you think politicians are going to watch facebook wipe out the banking system, while simultaneously making it easy to conduct business out of their tax grasp (which is what ecommerce means to politicians), think again.  They&#8217;re not going to take-one-for-the-country at all.</p>
<p>Around the same time as the attempted killing of these ecommerce banks, walmart also talked about offering banking services out of their branches.  They shot that one down pretty hard too.  Nobody wanted to allow walmart to threaten their cash cow with competition that might win or reduce profits.</p>
<p>Banks are the golden goose for a lot of these politicians.  They don&#8217;t care what is good for the consumer, or about ecommerce.  If Walmart doesn&#8217;t have the clout to be allowed to play, why would facebook?</p>
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		<title>By: Openworld</title>
		<link>http://emergentbydesign.com/2010/03/17/facebook-surpasses-google-is-a-digital-currency-system-ready-to-emerge/#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Openworld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens when we combine Thomas Power&#039;s insights with:

1) @patrickdixon&#039;s forecast that cell phone carriers will become banks - http://j.mp/ajBKpU

2) @dougrushkoff&#039;s views on why personal currencies will emerge:

&gt;&gt;“Radical Abundance: how we get past free and learn to exchange value again” http://rushkoff.com/2009/11/21/radical-abundance/

3) how facial recognition apps on cell phones will accelerate reputation-based personal services/currency exchange - http://j.mp/93An3F

My guess is that we may be soon see socnets - especially those partnering well with mobile carriers - launching far more resilient banking/exchange systems than societies with fiat currencies have been able to sustain.

Best,

Mark
@openworld]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when we combine Thomas Power&#8217;s insights with:</p>
<p>1) @patrickdixon&#8217;s forecast that cell phone carriers will become banks &#8211; <a href="http://j.mp/ajBKpU" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/ajBKpU</a></p>
<p>2) @dougrushkoff&#8217;s views on why personal currencies will emerge:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;“Radical Abundance: how we get past free and learn to exchange value again” <a href="http://rushkoff.com/2009/11/21/radical-abundance/" rel="nofollow">http://rushkoff.com/2009/11/21/radical-abundance/</a></p>
<p>3) how facial recognition apps on cell phones will accelerate reputation-based personal services/currency exchange &#8211; <a href="http://j.mp/93An3F" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/93An3F</a></p>
<p>My guess is that we may be soon see socnets &#8211; especially those partnering well with mobile carriers &#8211; launching far more resilient banking/exchange systems than societies with fiat currencies have been able to sustain.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Mark<br />
@openworld</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uberVU - social comments]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by VenessaMiemis: Newsflash: Facebook Surpasses Google: Is a Digital Currency System Ready to Emerge? http://bit.ly/a6n7ZY...]]></description>
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